tintinnabulome

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- CommentAuthorTetramorph
- CommentTimeFeb 21st 2009
Embedded dadek's first tintinnabulome piece to the "media" section on the docs wiki. Embedded an mp3 of a short section from a piece by Pärt, just for context, to the "background" section. Hope it isn't cluttered. I am hoping it will just be helpful.

@emergencyofstate: rad! Hope you can share (or link to) the result!
- CommentAuthordirtysilver
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
hello

i tried to save tin to keep the settings but when i load it again it's blank again.
i did it wih max 4, is it possible to load custom settings to play on the go?

thanks
- CommentAuthorstretta
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
One of the weird growing pains with Max 4 was how preset storage was broken. I can't add a preset object and have it recall anything except the topmost patcher, in other words, nothing.

'saving' the patch saves changes to the architecture of the patch, it doesn't memorize presets, that is normal.

I believe it may be possible to add real preset storage, but this would be a Max 5-only thing and I have yet to upgrade to Max 5. Someone else could update Tintinnabulome with Max 5 preset capability, but doing so would lock me out of that branch.
- CommentAuthoroccular
- CommentTimeFeb 24th 2009
@stretta: I've tried to implement preset storage this morning in Max5. Its the same thing, I can store only topmost layer/patcher, and a preset object inside the tvoice patch do also nothing..
Maybe I do something wrong ?
- CommentAuthoroccular
- CommentTimeFeb 24th 2009
Hey guys, I've got it, Preset storage works !!!
On every layer, every parameter can be stored.

@stretta: as a solution for further updates, I can port your every update to Max5 and include the capabilities of Max5..
- CommentAuthordadek
- CommentTimeFeb 24th 2009
Sweet! Thanks for the hard work.
- CommentAuthorTetramorph
- CommentTimeFeb 24th 2009
Yeah! Preset memory will really be an unexpected and welcome addition. Thanks!
- CommentAuthorTetramorph
- CommentTimeFeb 26th 2009
Added "set up" section to the docs wiki. Please check me for accuracy. Reword if you can do better!

@occular -- okay, I have a stupid question. The preset storage that you've figured out: Is this something you can share with us as a new mod on the app, or is it only something that you can do b/c you can modify the code directly.

In other words, am I going to have to move up from runtime and buy the full version finally? Thanks!
- CommentAuthorstretta
- CommentTimeFeb 26th 2009
The preset object issue is a Max 4 vs. Max 5 thing.
Not a run-time versus full version thing.

In other words, you can still use the Max 5 runtime. You don't need the full version.
- CommentAuthorTetramorph
- CommentTimeFeb 26th 2009
Thanks, Stretta. Okay, so for further clarification (if you can suffer me): when occular posts above that he has figured out preset storage, he doesn't provide a new file to download. So am I waiting for occular to put that together for us as a new mod? Or am I missing something here? Thanks for suffering my stupid questions.
- CommentAuthorstretta
- CommentTimeFeb 26th 2009
occular would indeed have to post his modified file before anyone would be able to use it, yes.
- CommentAuthorTetramorph
- CommentTimeFeb 26th 2009 edited
Okay, thanks for certifying my temporary insanity! Just to try to save myself (too late): that is what I had thought. But the enthusiasm of his post, without a follow-up for a while, had me confused. (Now I'll try to stop blushing from forum embarrassment.)
- CommentAuthoroccular
- CommentTimeFeb 26th 2009 edited
I'm sorry for the delay, but I have to workaround this solution since the preset storage works only temporary, till the application quits. I'm on it and will post it as soon as I can..
P.S: 49 preset-slots integrated, on device..
- CommentAuthorstephen
- CommentTimeFeb 27th 2009
@ occular - i haven't read the whole thread here, but from my (limited) pattr-knowledge, have you used [pattrstorage]? i know that if you set the "savemode" attribute to 3, it will automatically save all your presets to an .xml file when you close the patch. the first time you do this you can choose an name for the .xml file. so you could create a [pattrstorage something @savemode 3] object. this is how soyuz works and it saves the states of all the bpatchers too.

apologies if this is kind of patronising and your problems are deeper...
- CommentAuthoroccular
- CommentTimeFeb 27th 2009 edited
@stephen: many thanks for the hint, I havn't tried this with [pattrstorage] yet, only with preset object. I'll take a look at it, maybe it solves my needs.
- CommentAuthorstephen
- CommentTimeFeb 27th 2009
i think it will. there's more too it than [preset], but it does loads more. it seems (from reading the c74 forums) that the standard advice is, whenever you have question/problem with [preset], the answer is [pattr].
- CommentAuthoroccular
- CommentTimeFeb 27th 2009
yes, you are right, stephen. I've looked at [pattr] system, its deep and versatile and I think it will solve the problem..
I have to implement this storage-system in the patch, it must go along with [preset]. One thing what I want, is to store/recall different things on the fly, and second, save the entire patch.
- CommentAuthordadek
- CommentTimeFeb 27th 2009
Have you thought of doing a preset per 'tin voice', like a bpatcher/preset thingie for each voice, then have a larger preset that saves all those states.

That way each column/voice could have a preset and it would be easier to scale for larger monomes in the future.

Forgive me if that doesn't make sense, still trying to understand Max.
- CommentAuthoroccular
- CommentTimeFeb 27th 2009
hello dadek,
I've made a global preset solution, you can store anything from voices and arpeggios to midi channels in one preset. And since I used 49 storage places on monome, you can quick save or "capture" your actual performance in one preset. If you make progression in performance, you save another preset. Its a kind of playing technique, its funny ! You can always save/recall/rewrite anything. I think you dont need more than 7 present per "song", but 49 presets allows you to play larger pieces/performances on tintinabulome. The only thing is, it works until you quit the app, on restart= point zero. So I must take the adventure and implement the [pattr] system in the the patch.. ;-0
- CommentAuthorTetramorph
- CommentTimeFeb 27th 2009 edited
I've really been having fun with tilt. I like the tilt control of arpeggiation, but I find myself using tilt more for expression, so:

occular or Stretta (or anybody else ready to dig into the app): could you add the check boxes for tilt control of duration and velocity, as on polygomé, in your next version? I would love that. Thanks for considering it!

O, and occular, is there any way that you could indicate on the GUI (as you already light or unlight the top right LED) that we are in play or set mode? Just something that switches b/w those two words, maybe? Thanks for considering!

Thanks to both of you for all your development of this great app!
- CommentAuthordadek
- CommentTimeMar 4th 2009
Hey guys,

I've noticed something strange in the use of the _arp_ 'range' function. Once the range is set to anything other than 0, an additional note is added in each octave. Example:

two notes ticked, at range 0, plays c1-e1 _ c1-e1 _ c1-e1
two notes ticked, at range 1, plays c1-e1 _ c2-e2-c2 _ c1-e1-c1

three notes ticked, at range 0, plays c1-e1-g1 _ c1-e1-g1 _ c1-e1-g1
three notes ticked, at range 1, plays c1-e1-g1 _ c2-e2-g-2-c-2 _ c1-e1-g-1-c1

The added note is not always the same.
So when you extend the range, your changing the length of your phrase and adding a random note. (That random note, is probably not that random, it seems to coincide with where the pattern would be if it was cycling with the intended phrase length, muted until it's octave is playing, and cycling for an extra time division.)

Hope that makes sense and thanks.
- CommentAuthorTetramorph
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2009
@dadek -- When Stretta posted his most recent version on "page 3" of this thread, he mentions that the jump in range is going to come at a random time, due to some of the initial ways that he set up the patch in the first place.

Could what you are talking about be due to this? Or are you talking about something different. I'll set mine up when I can to see if I've got the same problem.
- CommentAuthordadek
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2009
No, it's that if my column are playing 3 note/beat phrases, extending the range turns them into 4 note/beat phrases.
- CommentAuthordadek
- CommentTimeMar 7th 2009
one more:

http://soundcloud.com/dadek/tin-five

thanks again for the great app.
- CommentAuthorzkultra_II
- CommentTimeMar 9th 2009
can I add my voice to the chorus of joy over this app.
"could you add the check boxes for tilt control of duration and velocity, as on polygomé, in your next version? I would love that. Thanks for considering it!"
this would be great too.
has anyone else had issues with the homphonic settings?
- CommentAuthorcuboo
- CommentTimeMar 11th 2009 edited
Hi,
I received my monome yesterday and didn't sleep that much, because this thing is absolutely fabulous and incredible.
Sad thing is, that I'm not able to get tintinnabulome to work. I changed the prefix in MonomeSerial to "tin" but all I received is this Max-error message: "inlet: wrong message or type".
Does anybody know, what I can do? I'm using XP with Max5-Demo.

Thanks in advance for helping an absolut newby on monome and Max.

the best, cuboo

@dadek: your tin-series is so beautiful!
- CommentAuthordadek
- CommentTimeMar 11th 2009
grats on the monome cuboo, and thanks.

I get strings of that error messge but my 'tin' still works, v 0.85.

Does tin work running just from the GUI?
- CommentAuthordadek
- CommentTimeMar 12th 2009 edited
The top right button on the monome changes the functions of the monome buttons.

Try clicking that and trying the buttons while checking the GUI. It switches from controlling the beat time, notes, arp select etc.
- CommentAuthorTetramorph
- CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
@dadek -- yes, good point. I and others have had that problem. I just added a description under "tip" to the docs wiki page. Peace
- CommentAuthordadek
- CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
Yeah, that was actually a mistell. I was whispering back and forth some help to cuboo and posted unintentionally.

I do wish it defaulted to notes and hold function and that we had better visual feedback from the 'mode' button, but those are details and I love it anyways the way it is.
- CommentAuthoroccular
- CommentTimeMar 16th 2009 edited
hello all,
I finally found some time in between my musical work, and made a second mod on the patch. A lot of things on monome layout has been changed and added:

changed:
1: the modal buttons ( chord scale ) is now on the first column istead of 8th column. This is because I realized, if you play in noteset mode you play mostly with right hand ( at least I do ). I had some troubles to play and handle the chord column at the same time. So I decided to switch it on the first column and just play chords with left hand, it helped me a lot, I hope it helps you too..

2: I've made a page-structure. Instead of hold buttons now we have 8 control pages to change the things on monome. 4 pages pages is used now:

1: noteset mode
2: arp/hold mode
3: rate mode
8: preset page

A doc.pdf file is in the main patch for detailed visual explantation.

added:
1: everything has been -pattr-ized. It means we have now a preset store-structure. You can capture your performance in 49 preset slots on the fly, and save it in one XML file ! Later you can read it again into the patch. You can save as many XML files as you need. So you have 49 presets per Song/Performance
2: Setup page to quick change your listen port, and initialize averything, if the things go messy.. ( at this point many thanks to Stephen Ball for the soyuz patch I've learned from..)
3: a page display over the LED matrix
4: nice orthodox church-graphic with old russian church font ( Arvo Pärt is an orthodox man.. I hope I'm right, tetramorph ??? )

fixed:
1: an -out of range issue-
2: "inlet: wrong message or type".

I hope you find it useful as I do..
have fun !

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Roman
- tintinnabulome 0.93.zip
- CommentAuthoroccular
- CommentTimeMar 16th 2009
Please check the tilt functionality, I dont have tilt on my monome..
- CommentAuthorJP
- CommentTimeMar 16th 2009
oh my !
- CommentAuthorTetramorph
- CommentTimeMar 16th 2009 edited
Wow, this looks really incredible. I'll have to try to explore this new version sometime this week. Thanks!

Oh, and, yes, Pärt is Orthodox. Peace
- CommentAuthorTetramorph
- CommentTimeMar 16th 2009
Okay, I've completed my second tintinnabular meditation, "Winter Sun Setting." As a video meditation, here it is on Vimeo:

http://vimeo.com/groups/monome/videos/3673157

I was disappointed in the sound quality on Vimeo. Also, it is cut down from the full track that is just over 6 minutes. So here is a good quality version on soundcloud:

http://soundcloud.com/tetramorph/winter-sun-setting

And here is where I talk a little bit about it on my blog:

http://tetramorph.blogspot.com/2009/03/winter-sun-setting.html

I will post again with technical tintinnabulome description, for those for whom that would be helpful.

Please let me know what you all think, as this is my first attempt at real ambient music.

@occular, thanks for your continued work in developing this lovely app. Love the pic and font, although I can only open it in preview: it doesn't show up when I open the app in max. I'm a bit confused as to your new stuff, so I'll post more to you later, when I've had time to try to digest it.

Thanks, all. Peace
- CommentAuthoroccular
- CommentTimeMar 16th 2009
thanks for the nice words, I'm glad you like it !
@tetramorph: I've checked the picture issue,
please try to reload the patch I've just updated.
- CommentAuthordadek
- CommentTimeMar 16th 2009
Very nice, thanks occular. I'll make sometime today to check this out.

Any chance of looking at that arp/add note thing i mentioned up the page?

Take care and thanks again.
- CommentAuthordadek
- CommentTimeMar 16th 2009
Wow!!!! This is super cool and working great. Definitely becomes a more realtime/interactive powerhouse.

More thanks.
- CommentAuthorelektra
- CommentTimeMar 17th 2009 edited
awesome! respect.
takes a few minutes ( ... ) to have the new structure ready while playing, but after that ... i'm amazed! possibilities without end... it's so musician.
take my first take with big THANKS! :-)

http://soundcloud.com/elektra/tintingerine
- CommentAuthorTetramorph
- CommentTimeMar 17th 2009
Description: here is a brief description of my track posted above, for those for whom this kind of description is helpful:

Synced v.0.85 with Logic at 30 bpm.
Key: c ionian (no tilt this time)

three columns only:

up/notes of the second degree triad (Dm)/-12/0range/whole note/50/100

up/notes of the first degree triad (C)/0/1range/down/3/8notes/20/64

dn/notes of the thrid degree triad (Em)/+12/2range/up-dn/1/6note/15/64

By having the lowest triad different from the tonic (Dm instead of C) I tried to obscure the tonality a bit. By setting the bpm so low and then setting the rhythm in a ratio of 1 to 3/8 to 1/6 I tried to obscure a sense of hard "beat" - going for something more like breath but not as random as wind chimes.

Hope someone finds that helpful. Please let me know how you've set up some of the great tracks that have been produced out there -- it helps me to learn.

________
I still haven't had time to look at occular's latest build. But it is already producing great stuff, so I am looking forward to when I have some more solid monome time.

@elektra - nice track on soundcloud! I would love a descriptive break down. How are you getting that nice little treble sound?

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