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- CommentAuthorkeithTURBO
- CommentTimeMar 4th 2010
just started this project and cant wait to finish. its an upright controller so i can use it atop of my rhodes while im sitting or standing. its going to be a sparkfun button 128 with a couple rows of rotary pots for effects. im going for a vintage patchbay, analog synth look. this first picture is a cardboard mock up. i must say im totally intrigued with the philosophy of this community and lovin it. so id figure id look for parts here first.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4029/4405268323_c1177b4065_m.jpg -
- CommentAuthorkeithTURBO
- CommentTimeMar 4th 2010
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4042/4405269485_73757fd808_m.jpg
built the support structure from dishwasher angled aluminum
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/4406042098_b40875853e_m.jpg
cut the wood sides from pine i had
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2755/4405278953_2ec64f0ba1_m.jpg
basically screwed it all together. after a bunch of screw countersinking -
- CommentAuthorkeithTURBO
- CommentTimeMar 4th 2010
im trying to make a home made project and my total cost so far is a big zero. but im looking for parts now and i had a few questions. in my original design and parts list i was planning on using 3 arduinos and 3 unsped sheilds with a powered usb hub. but now ive seen people making a 256 and only using a total of one? how does that work? is that only if you use the starfire logic board? and one more question, is the starfire logic board compatible with the sparkfun/bibo board setup? would i need to use a different header. thanks alot for helpin out a newbie.
also if anyone has parts availible and whilling to sell please let me know -
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CommentAuthorthealphanerd
- CommentTimeMar 4th 2010 edited
I don't think you would need three arduino for that. But I guess that depends on how many rows of rotary pots you wanted to have on the Rhoads (nice!!!). I believe the unsped has a bunch of analogue inputs broken out.
As for the Starfire monomes... those require 4 button pad pcb which use the livid button pad, and another four logic boards which use a flashed atmega chip.
Currently there was a large North American group buy that is closed... but if you are in Europe I think there is Still one going on... check this thread
http://post.monome.org/comments.php?DiscussionID=6492&page=20#Item_29
Aphasia Actually outlined the Arduinome stuff pretty well six days ago
Ok, making a 16x8 Arduinome just involves making 2 8x8 Arduinomes and offsetting them in arduinomeserial, of which there are a few options available to you.
Button boards:
1/ Bibo's 8x8 button pcb, this would use the Sparkfun buttons. I advise you check out some flickrs and compare sizes as these are the largest button alternative available I believe.
2/ Starfire's 8x8 button pcb, this would use the Livid buttons. Again, check the specs on the sites and some pictures, these are smaller than the sparkfun and closer to the monome buttons.
3/ Monome button board, using the monome buttons of course. This is for the more genuine size.
4/ Sparkfun boards, uses the sparkfun buttons. This is the most awkward as you need to get 4 and wire them up so that they work correctly, the all in one 8x8 boards are much easier.
Options 1 & 2 would probably require you participating/organising a group buy to lower the prices to a reasonable rate. Option 3 is simply less frequent as it comes from Brian and Keli.
With the Logic boards there are various options as well.
1/ Bibo logic board, works with the Bibo button board and that's it I believe.
2/ Unsped shield, which works with the Bibo board I believe.
3/ Starfire logic board, works with the Starfire button board AND with the Bibo button board. Uses an SMD component which may put you off although it can be replaced with a through-hole component for extra cost.
4/ Monome logic board, works with the monome. Same situation as the button board, more genuine but less frequent.
Group buys would need to be organised for the Bibo (if he has none spare) and the Starfire. There is a group buy in progress for the Unsped shield. And you would have to wait for the monome.
* GreaterThanZero
* CommentTime5 days ago edited
The Unsped shield requires an Arduino controller. The Starfire logic board saves space and money by combining the Unsped board and the Arduino into a single compact unit. This adds to the complexity of your build somewhat, because you aren't using the pre-assembled Arduino controller, but the two paths are otherwise equivalent.
Likewise, Starfire's 8x8 board is a port of Bibo's 8x8 board. Starfire's supports the Livid pads, Bibo's supports the Sparkfun pads. They, too, are otherwise equivalent.
So, either of those logic boards will work with either of those button boards. -
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- CommentAuthorkeithTURBO
- CommentTimeMar 6th 2010
thanks for the help. where do i get the starfire logic boards and livid pads. is it only through group buy? im having some trouble finding these things, -
- CommentAuthorGreaterThanZero
- CommentTimeMar 6th 2010
The actual livid pads, you can get here:
http://lividshop.com/builder/rubber-key-pads-8x8.html
This is the physical buttons, or rather, the part of the buttons that you touch. There's also a pc board required, which you'll hear referred to as the "livid pcb" or the "starfire board". That's the other half of the buttons; the part which connects to your hardware, where you'll be soldering LEDs.
Adding to this naming confusion, Starfire designed two components - that PC board I just mentioned, and the hybrid logic board that combines Unsped's shield with an Arduino compatible controller. So it's easy to confuse the "starfire board"/"starfire pcb" with the "starfire controller". They're both boards, they need to get printed through similar processes, working towards similar goals, and they both have "starfire" as their primary identifier. That's sort of dumb.
This probably isn't the right thread for such a proclamation, but I think we should call the controller a "starduino" and the pc board a... something else. I don't have a clever name for that.
ANYWAY... There's no storehouse of logic boards or the PCBs anywhere. They have to be custom manufactured. Files are available for sending to batchPCB, but it's significantly more expensive to do that solo than to get in on (or organize) a group buy. Is price a concern? -
- CommentAuthorkeithTURBO
- CommentTimeMar 6th 2010
that clears a few things for me thanks. of course price is a concern. im hoping to spend zero on the enclosure and source the parts individually. but people seem to horde parts on here as i would too, seing as there just not common. ill just have to keep lookin for GB's.